Tourney lists

Below are all the tourney lists from the tournament I' playing in next weekend, for anyone that's interested - we're playing the loaded dice team first. There's a few lists of nastiness in there that stick out (3 helldrakes and 2 nightscythes!!) although I haven't gone through it is massive detail yet. They made a balls-up with my list and missed 12 termies and a Trygon off! Hopeully they'll fix it, although I did subit it right so i can't be hastringed by a balls-up on their part (I hope!). Feel free to point out ay nasty rule combos you spot, as theres every chance I miss it until my opponent points out thats the reason why they are kicking my ass!


Team: Cross Swords
Player: Lee Captain
Army: Eldar Dark Eldar Allies


HQ:
Eldrad Ulthran 210 points

Troops:
Rangers (X9)
Pathfinder 216 points

Troops:
Dire Avengers (X9)
Exarch, Bladestorm, dual Shuriken Catapults 140 points

Elites:
Striking Scorpions (X10)
Exarch, Scorpions Claw 187 points

Wave Serpent, Twin Linked Missile Launcher,
Spirit Stones 130 points

HQ:
Lelith Hesperax 175 points

Troops:
Kabalite Warriors (X10)
Sybarite, Dark Lance 125 points

Elites:
Incubi (X9)
Klaivex, demi claves 233 points

Raider
Night Shields, Flicker Fields 80 points

Heavy Support:
Razorwing Jet Fighter, Splinter Cannon flicker field 165 points

Fortification:
Aeigis Defence line, Icarus lascannon 85 points


Total 1746







Team: Cross Swords
Player: James
Army: Blood Angels

HQ:
Blood Angels Captain
Power Fist, Jump Pack 150 points

Troops:
10 Man Assault Squad
2X Infernus Pistols 220 points

Troops:
10 Man Assault Squad
2X Infernus Pistols 220 points

Troops:
10 Man Tactical Squad
Meltagun, Lascannon 185 points

Elites:
Sanguinary Priest x2
Jump Pack x2 150 points

Elites:
5 Man Assault Terminator Squad
2X Twin Linked Lightning Claws
3X Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield 215 points

Elites:
Furioso Dreadnought
Blood Talons 125 points

Fast Attack:
Baal Predator
Flamestorm Cannon, Heavy Bolter Sponsons 145 points

Heavy Support:
Stormraven Gunship, Hurricane Bolters 230 points

Fortification
Aegis Defence Line
Quad Gun 100 points

Total 1735 points


Team: Cross Swords
Player: Dave
Army: Chaos Marines


HQ:
Sorceror
Mark of Slaanesh, Level2 Mastery 1from Slaanesh
1 from Telekinesis
Veteran of the Long War 105 points


Troops:
Chaos Marine Squad (X10)
Combat Weapons, Melta Gun, Plasma Gun, Power Axe
Plasma Pistol,
Mark Of Slaanesh, Icon of Excess 255 points
Troops:
Chaos Marine Squad (X10)
Combat Weapons, Melta Gun, Plasma Gun, Power Axe
Plasma Pistol, Melta Bomb
Mark Of Slaanesh, Icon of Excess

Troops:
Noise Marine Squad (X10)
2X Blast Masters, 7X Sonic Blasters, Doom Siren
Power Sword, Icon Of Excess,
VeteranS of the Long War

Troops:
Chaos Cultists (X20)
2 Heavy Stubbers, X17 Autoguns

Troops
Chaos Cultists (X10)
1 Flamer

Troops
Chaos Cultists (X10)
1 Flamer

Fast Attack:
Helldrake
Baleflamer

Heavy Support:
Forgefiend

Heavy Support:
Maulerfiend

Fortification
Aegis Defence Line Quad Gun



Team: Cross Swords
Player: Matt
Army: Dark Angels

Primary Detachment
HQ:
Ezekiel (telepathy) 145 points


Troops:
Tactical Squad (X10)
Veteran Sergeant, Plasma Pistol, Plasma Gun,
Plasma Cannon 195 points

Troops:
Tactical Squad (X10)
Veteran Sergeant, Plasma Pistol, Plasma Gun,
Plasma Cannon 195 points

Troops:
Tactical Squad (X10)
Veteran Sergeant, Plasma Pistol, Plasma Gun,
Plasma Cannon 195 points

Troops:
Tactical Squad (X10)
Veteran Sergeant, Plasma Pistol, Plasma Gun,
Plasma Cannon 195 points

Troops:
Scout Squad (X10)
Veteran Sergeant
Camo cloaks, missile launcher (frag Krak flakk), sniper rifles 175 points

Elites:
Deathwing Terminator Squad (X6)
1X Chain Fist, Assault Cannon 289 points

Heavy Support:
Devastator Squad (X5)
Veteran Sergeant, 4X Plasma Cannon 140 points

Heavy Support:
Predator
Twin Linked Lascannons, Heavy Bolter Sponsons 120 points

Fortifications:
Aegis Defence Line
Quad Gun 100 points

Total 1749 points


Team: Derpanoughts
Player: Steve Captain
Army: Tau

HQ: Shas’O
Missile Pod, Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator
Hard Wired Multi Tracker 135 points

Body Guard Team Shas’vre
Missile Pod, Fusion Blaster, Shield Generator,
Hard Wired Multi Tracker
Shas’vre, Missile Pod, Burst Cannon, Shield Generator
Hard Wired Multi Tracker 164 points


Troops: Shas’la (X12)
Photon Grenades 132 points

Troops: Shas’la (X12)
Photon Grenades 132 points

Troops:
Shas’la (X12)
Photon Grenades 132 points

Fast Attack:
Ramora Drone Stealth Fighters X2 220 points

Elites:
Crisis Team Shas’ui
Team Leader, Plasma Rifle, Fusion Blaster, Shield Generator,
Hard Wired Multi Tracker
Shas’ui, Flamer, Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator
Shas’ui, Flamer, Fusion Blaster, Shield Generator 222 points


Elites:
Stealth Team
X3 Shas’ui, Fusion Blaster 92 points


Heavy Support:
Hammerhead Gunship, Railgun, Burst Cannon,
Multi Tracker, Disruption Pods, Blacksun Filter 170 points

Heavy Support:
Hammerhead Gunship, Railgun, Burst Cannon,
Multi Tracker, Disruption Pods, Blacksun Filter 170 points

Heavy Support:
Hammerhead Gunship, Railgun, Smart Missile System,
Multi Tracker, Disruption Pods, Blacksun Filter 170 points
Total 1749 points



Team: Derpernoughts
Player: Cameron
Army: Chaos Marines Daemon Allies

Primary detachment
HQ:
Chaos Lord
Terminator Armour, Combi Melta,
Veteran of the Long War
The black mace 162 points

Elites:
Chaos Terminators (X5)
Power Fist, Chain Fist, Combi Melta, Heavy Flamer
Veterans of the Long War 206 points


Troops:
Chaos Space Marines (X20) made up of
1 Aspiring Champion (w. Powerfist and Combi-bolter),
8 CSMs (w. Combat Weapons and Bolt Pistol combo),
10 CSMs (w. Bolters),
2 CSMs (w. Plasmaguns).
One of the Bolter-wielders has the Icon of vengeance
Veterans of the long war. 373 points

Troops:
Chaos Cultists (X30)
Heavy Stubber, 2X Flamer, Shotgun, 16 Autoguns 163 points


Heavy Support:
Havocs (X7)
4X Lascannons, Chainaxe
Veterans of the Long War 196 points


Heavy Support:
Defiler
Dirge Caster, Power Scourge, Warpflame Gargoyles 230 points

Allied Detachment
HQ:
Bloodthirster
Greater Reward, Exalted Reward 300 points


Troops:
Bloodletters (X10)
Blood Banner 120 points


Team: Derpanoughts
Player: Jim
Army: Necron

HQ 1 - Necron Overlord, Warscythe, Resurrection Orb, Sempiternal Weave, Tesseract Labyrinth: 165 pts

Royal Court 1 - Cryptek ,Harbinger of Despair, Veil of Darkness 60 pts

Necron Lord, Resurrection Orb, Tesseract Labyrinth: 85 pts

Elites 1 - 5xLychguards, Hyperphase Swords and Phase Shields 225 pts

Elites 2 - 5xDeathmarks: 95 pts

Troops 1 - 10xNecron Immortals: 170 pts

Troops 2 - 10xNecron Warriors: 130 pts

Troops 3 - 10xNecron Warriors: 130 pts

Fast Attack 1 - 3xCanopek Wraiths, whipcoils 135 pts

Heavy Support 1 - Doom Scythe: 175pts

Heavy Support 2 - Doom Scythe: 175pts

Transport 1 - (troops 1), Night Scythe: 100 pts

Transport 2 - (elites 1), Night Scythe: 100 pts
Total 1745 points



Team: Derpanoughts
Player: Ian
Army: Grey Knights


HQ: Inquiaitor Coteaz 200 points


HQ: Inquisitor
Pysker, Power Armour, Force sword, Combi Flamer
Pysbolt Ammo
Psychic communion 78 points

Elites: Tech Marine
Storm Bolter, Blind Grenades, Rad Grenades,
Psybolt Ammo 113 points

Elites: Vindicar Assassin 145 points

Troops: Acolytes (X8)
Stormbolters
X3 Servitors, Heavy Bolters
Jokero 121 points
Troops: Acolytes (X8)
Stormbolters
X3 Servitors, Heavy Bolters
Jokero 121 points

Troops: Acolytes (X11)
Stormbolters
Jokero 112 points

Troops: Acolytes (X11)
Stormbolters
Jokero 112 points

Troops: Acolytes (X4)
1X Mystic 112 points

Fast Attack: Stormraven
Heavy Bolters, Pysbolt Ammo 26 points

Heavy Support: Dreadnought
2x Twinlinked Autocannons, Pys Ammo, searchlight, smoke launchers 136 points

Heavy Support: Dreadnought
2x Twinlinked Autocannons, Pys Ammo, searchlight, smoke launchers 136 points

Heavy Support: Dread Knight
Gatling Psilencer, Great Sword, Personal Telepath, Heavy incinerator 295 points
Total 1750 points


Player: Grant Team: Sporenids

Army: Necrons

HQ:
Illuminor Szeras 100 points

Destroyer Lord (125), Sempiternal Weave (15),Resurrection orb (30) 170 points

Cryptek (25), Harbinger of despair, Abyssal staff (5), Veil of darkness (30),
Nightmare shroud (10) 70 points

Cryptek (25) Harbinger of eternity, Aeon stave (free), Chronometron (15) 40 points

Lord (35), Warscythe (10), Sempiternal Weave (15), Res Orb (30) 90 Points

Lord (35) Warscythe (10), Sempiternal Weave (15), Res Orb (30) 90 Points

Troops:
Warriors x20 260 points
Warriors x20 260 points
Immortals x5, tesla carbines (free) 85 points

Elites:
Deathmarks x10 190 points
Night Scythe 100 points

Heavy support:
Spyder 50 points

Fast Attack:
Destroyers x5 200 points
Scarabs x3 45 points

Total 1750


Player: Mark Raggett Team: Sporenids

Army: Tyranids

HQ:
Hive Tyrant, twin linked devourer- brainleech worms, twin linked devourer-
brainleech worms, wings, the horror, leech essence 260 points

Swarmlord 280 points

Elites:
Hive Guard x3 150 points
The Doom of Malan’tai, Mycetic Spore 130 points

Troops:
Tervigon, crushing claws, stinger salvo, adrenal glands, toxin sacs, catalyst,
Onslaught 235 points

Tervigon, crushing claws, stinger salvo, adrenal glands, toxin sacs, catalyst,
Onslaught 235 points

Termagaunts x15, devourer, mycetic spore. 190 points



Player: Sam Hodson Team: Sporenids

Army: Orks

HQ:
Mad Dok Grotsnik 160 points

Troops:
Boyz x 17, shootas, 1 big shoota, Nob, power klaw, bosspole 149 points

Boyz x 17, shootas, 1 big shoota, Nob, big choppa, bosspole 129 points

Elites:
Burna Boyz x 12, mek, kustom mega blasta 180 points
Trukk, stikk bomb chukka 40 points

Tank Bustaz x 6, 2 bomb squigs, nob, ‘eavy armour, boss pole 120 points

Fast Attack
Storm Boyz x 11, Zagstrukk, 217 points

Deff Koptas x3, big shootas x3 105 points

Burna Bomber, scorcha missiles x2 145 points

Heavy Support
Flash Gitz x 9, more dakkier, more shootier, cybork bodies, kaptin Badruk 495 points
Total 1740


Player: Chris Derges (Captain) Team: Sporenids

Army: Orks

HQ:
Lysander 200 points

Elites:
Assault terminators x5, thunder hammers, storm shields 200 points

Iron Clad Dreadnaught, heavy flamer, meltagun, iron clad assault launchers 160 points

Dedicated Transport
Drop pod, deathwind missile launcher, locator beacon 65 points

Heavy Support
Vindicator, siege shield, hunter killer missile 135 points
Vindicator, siege shield, hunter killer missile 135 points

Predator, lascannon sponsons, twin linked lascannon 175 points

Troops:
5 man scout squad, sniper rifles, camo cloaks, teleport homer 105 points
5 man scout squad, sniper rifles, camo cloaks, teleport homer 105 points

10 man tactical squad, plasma gun, plasma cannon 185 points
10 man tactical squad, plasma gun, plasma cannon 185 points

Fortification
Aegis defense line, quad gun 100 points

Total 1750 points


Team: Team Exeter
Player: James
Army: Orks

HQ:
Wazdakka Gutsmek 180 points
HQ :
Big Mek
kustom force field. 85 points
Elites
3 Meganobz
Battlewagon: 2× big shoota; deff rolla. 240 points

Troops:
10 Warbikers
Nob (power klaw; bosspole). 290 points

Troops 2:
10 Warbikers
Nob (power klaw; bosspole). 290 points

Troops 3:
8 Warbikers
Nob (power klaw; bosspole). 240 points

Troops 4:
10 Gretchin
Runtherd 40 points

Fast Attack:
Dakkajet
Fighta Ace; 3x twin-linked supa shoota. 130 points

Heavy Support 1:
3 Killa Kans
2× big shoota; skorcha. 120 points

Heavy Support 2:
3 Killa Kans
3× grotzooka. 135 points




Team: Team Exeter
Player: Clive
Army: Grey Knights

HQ
Librarian (Mastery Lvl 2 Divination) Terminator Armour, Storm Bolter, Nemesis Force Sword. Frag/Krak/Psyk grenades. Hammerhand +2 powers 150

Elites
Vindicare Assassin Synskin, Exitus Rifle + Pistol. Frag and Blind Grenades 145


Troops 1.
Grey Knight Terminator Squad (10) with Psy Bolt ammo, Inc 1 Daemon Hammer, 2 Nemesis Halberds and 2 Psy Cannons (with Swords). Frag/Krak/Psyk grenades 470

Troops 2.
Grey Knight Terminator Squad (10) with Psy Bolt ammo, inc 2 Incinerators (with halberds) 4 Daemon hammers and 5 Halberds (justicar has force sword) Frag/Krak/Psyk grenades 430

Heavy Support 1
Nemesis Dreadknight with 2 Doom Fists and Gatling Psilencer 165
Heavy Support 2
Nemesis Dreadknight with Nemesis Daemon Hammer 140
Heavy Support 3
Landraider Redeemer with Psy Bolt Ammo 250




Team: Team Exeter
Player: Anthony
Army: Necrons

HQ:
Overlord -
Warscyth, Phase shifter
Quantum Shielding, Tesla Cannon 145 points
Transport – Command barge - 80 points

Royal Court
2 x Necron Lords –
Sempiternal Weave, Res Orb 160 points

Troops 1
10x immortals –
Twin-linked Tesla Destructor 170 points
Transport – Night Scythe - 100 points

Troops 2
10x immortals – 170 points
Twin-linked Tesla Destructor
Transport – Night Scythe - 100 points

Elite 1
Triarch stalker x2 300 points

Elite 2
C’tan Shard
Spirit dust
Thunder bolt 250 points

Fast Attack
Wraths x6
Whip coils 270 points



Team: Team Exeter
Player: Tim Captain
Army: Grey Knights


HQ:
Librarian ( psychic discipline to be confirmed) (150)

Castellan Crowe (150)

Troops 1:
10 Purifiers
2× psycannon; psybolt ammunition, 1 x Nemesis force weapon
2x halberd. (304)

Troops 2
5 Terminators
1 x Psycannon; 3× Nemesis force sword; 2 x Nemesis
force halberd; 1 x Nemesis Daemon hammer, brother hood banner. 250-

Troops 3
5 purifiers
2× psycannon; 3 x Nemesis force sword. 160
Razorback: psybolt ammunition; storm bolter. (60)

Fast Attack
Stormraven Gunship (280)
typhoon missile launcher; side-sponson hurricane bolters; psybolt ammunition.

Heavy Support
Land Raider Crusader (285)
multi-melta; psybolt ammunition.

Fortifications
Aegis Defence Lines (100)
gun emplacement with quad-gun.

Total 1739


Team: Loaded Dice
Player: John Captain
Army: Space Marine Necron Allies

HQ:
Space Marine Captain
Bike, Lightning Claw, Power Fist 175 Points

Troops:
Space Marine Scouts (X5) 135 Points
Sgt Telion, Missile Launcher
Troops:
Space Marine Bike Squad (X4) 185 Points
+Attack Bike
2X Melta, Multimelta
Troops:
Space Marine Bike Squad (X4) 190 Points
+Attack Bike
2X Melta, Multimelta, Melta Bomb
Elites:
Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought 215 Points
Cyclone Missile Launcher, X2 Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon
Heavy Support:
Thunderfire Cannon, Techmarine, Servo-Harness 100 Points

Fortification
Aegis Defence Line 85 Points
Icarus Lascannon


HQ:
Necron Overlord 115 Points
Mindshackle Scarabs, War Scythe

HQ:
Royal Court: 60 Points
Cryptek, Abyssal Staff
Cryptek, Abyssal Staff

Troops:
Necron Warriors (X5) 65 Points

Night Scythe 100 Points
Troops:
Necron Warriors (X5) 65 Points

Night Scythe 100 Points

Fast Attack:
Wraiths (X4) 160 Points
2X Whip Coils




Team: Loaded Dice
Player: Tom
Army: Chaos Marines

HQ:
Chaos Lord 160 Points
Mark of Khorne, Bike, Sigil of Corruption, Melta bombs
Axe of Blind Fury

HQ:
Chaos Lord 160 Points
Bike, Sigil of Corruption, Burning Brand, Melta bomb
Lightning Claw

Troops:
Chaos Cultists (X10) 50 Points
Troops:
Chaos Space Marines (X8) 134 Points
Plasma Gun, Meltabomb
Rhino 35 Points
Troops:
Chaos Space Marines (X8) 134 Points
X2 Plasma Gun, Meltabomb
Rhino 35 Points
Troops:
Chaos Space Marines (X10) 175 Points
X2 Plasma Gun, Meltabomb
Rhino 35 Points

Fast Attack:
Helldrake 170 Points
Baleflamer
Fast Attack:
Chaos Biker (X5) 135 Points
2X Flamers, Mark of Khorne, MeltaBomb
Fast Attack:
Chaos Biker (X5) 140 Points
2X Melta Guns, Mark of Khorne,

Heavy Support:
Havoc Squad (X5) 115 Points
4X Autocannons
Heavy Support:
Havoc Squad (X5) 115 Points
4X Autocannons
Heavy Support:
Obliterators 70 Points

Fortification
Aegis Defence Line 85 Points
Icarus Lascannon



Team: Loaded Dice
Player: Hugh
Army: Chaos Daemons

HQ;
Lord of Change 305 Points
Mastery Level 3, Full Divination
1 Lesser Gift, 2 Greater Gifts
HQ:
Herald of Khorne 130 Points
Locus: Fury, 1 Lesser Gift, Juggernaut
HQ:
Herald of Tzeentch 125 Points
Mastery level2, 1 Tzeentch, 1 Divination
Locus: Conjuration, Exalted Gift

Troops:
Demonettes (X20) 195 Points
Alluress, 1 Lesser Gift
Troops:
Demonettes (X20) 195 Points
Alluress, 1 Lesser Gift
Troops:
Horrors of Tzeentch (X20) 185 Points
Iridescent Horror

Fast Attack:
Flesh Hounds of Khorne (X15) 240 Points
Fast Attack:
Screamers of Tzeentch (X4) 100 Points
Fast Attack:
Screamers of Tzeentch (X4) 100 Points

Heavy Support:
Skull Cannon of Khorn 125 Points


Team: Loaded Dice
Player: Duncan
Army: Eldar

HQ:
Prince Yriel of Iyanden 155 Points
HQ:
Farseer 120 Points
Runes of Warding, Fortune, Guide

Troops:
Dire Avengers (X10) 152 Points
Exarch, X2 Avenger Shuriken (Which Exarch power?)

Wave Serpent, Twinlinked Starcannon 125 Points
Troops:
Rangers (X5) 120 Points
Pathfinder
Troops:
Rangers (X5) 120 Points
Pathfinder
Troops:
Guardian Jet Bikes (X3) 134 Points
Shuriken Cannon, Warlock, Destructor, Singing Spear

Elites:
Fire Dragons (X5) 80 Points
Wave Serpent, Twinlinked Starcannon 125 Points
Elites:
Harlequin Troop 176 Points
Troop Master (Harlequin Kiss), Shadow Seer
Harlequin Kiss X5

Heavy Support:
Dark Reapers (X4) 192 Points
Exarch, Tempest Launcher, Fast
Heavy Support:
Fire Prism, Shuriken Cannon 125 Points

Fortifications:
Aegis Defence Line 85 Points
Icarus Lascannon


Team: Red Dragon
Player: Richard Captain
Army: Dark Angels


HQ:
Sammael 200 Points

HQ:
Command Squad 165 Points
B.O Devastation
HQ:
Librarian (Psychic discipline to be provided) 95 Points
Power Generator

Troops:
Ravenwing Bike Squad X6 236 Points
2X Meltagun, Attack Bike Multimelta
Troops:
Ravenwing Bike Squad X6 236 Points
2X Meltagun, Attack Bike Multimelta
Troops:
Ravenwing Bike Squad X6 236 Points
2X Meltagun, Attack Bike Multimelta
Troops:
Ravenwing Bike Squad X6 236 Points
2X Meltagun, Attack Bike Multimelta

Fast Attack:
Ravenwing Dark Shroud 80 Points

Heavy Support:
Land Raider Crusader 265 Points
Multi Melta, Dozer Blade


Team: Red Dragon
Player: Gary
Army: Grey Knights

HQ:
Coteaz 100 Points


Elites: Purifiers X5 149 Points
2X Psycannon, 1XHammer, 2X Halberds
In Razorback, Psybolt Ammo 50 Points


Troops: Strike Squad X5, Psycannon 110 Points
Razorback with Psybolt Ammo 50 Points
Troops: Strike Squad X5, Psycannon 110 Points
Razorback with Psybolt Ammo 50 Points
Troops: Strike Squad X5, Psycannon 110 Points
Razorback with Psybolt Ammo 50 Points
Troops: Henchmen Acolytes X3 12 Points
Razorback with Psybolt Ammo 50 Points
Troops: Henchmen Acolytes X3 12 Points
Razorback with Psybolt Ammo 50 Points
Troops: Henchmen Acolytes X3 12 Points
Razorback with Psybolt Ammo 50 Points

Fast Attack: Interceptor Squad X5 140 Points
Psycannon
Fast Attack: Interceptor Squad X5 140 Points
Psycannon

Heavy Support: Dreadnought 135 Points
2X Twinlinked AutoCannons, Psy-Ammo
Heavy Support: Dreadnought 135 Points
2X Twinlinked AutoCannons, Psy-Ammo
Heavy Support: Dreadnought 135 Points
2X Twinlinked AutoCannons, Psy-Ammo


Fortifications:
Aegis Defence Line 100 Points
Quad Gun


Team: Red Dragon
Player: Matt
Army: Primary Detachment: Chaos Marines
Allied Detachment: Necron Allies


HQ:
Demon Prince 275 Points
Mark of Nurgle, Wings, Power Armour, Black Mace,
Gift of Mutation

Troops:
Chaos Cultists X10 50 Points

Troops:
Chaos Cultists X10 50 Points

Fast Attack:
Helldrake 170 Points
Baleflamer
Fast Attack:
Helldrake 170 Points
Baleflamer
Fast Attack:
Helldrake 170 Points
Baleflamer


HQ:
Destroyer Lord 160 Points
Sempiternal Weave, Mindshackle Scarabs

Troops:
Immortals X5 85 Points
Night Scythe 100 Points
Troops:
Immortals X5 85 Points
Night Scythe 100 Points

Fast Attack:
Canoptek Wraiths X5 175 Points

Heavy Support: Annilhilation Barge 90 Points


Fortifications:
Aegis Defence Line Comms Relay 70 Points


Team: Red Dragon
Player: James
Army: Imperial Guard Dark Angel Allies


HQ:
Company Command Squad 110 Points
4X Plasma Guns, Regimental Standard
Chimera, Multilaser, Heavy Bolter 55 Points

Troops:
Platoon Command Squad 90 Points
4X Plasma Guns
Chimera, Multilaser, Heavy Bolter 55 Points

Infantry Squad, Lascannon 70 Points

Infantry Squad, Lascannon 70 Points

Troops:
Platoon Command Squad 70 Points
4X Melta Guns
Chimera, Multilaser, Heavy Bolter 55 Points

Infantry Squad 50 Points

Infantry Squad 50 Points

Fast Attack:
Vendetta 130 Points

Fast Attack:
Vendetta 130 Points

Heavy Support:
Lehman Russ Squadron 460 Points

Lehman Russ Punisher, Heavy Bolter Sponsons,
Heavy Stubber, Knight Commander Pask

Lehman Russ Punisher, Heavy Bolter Sponsons

Heavy Support:
Manticore 160 Points

HQ:
Dark Angels Librarian 135 Points
Mastery level2, Auspex, Power Field Generator (Psychic discipline to be provided)

Troops:
Scouts, Sniper Rifle X5 60 Points
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Team: The Exiles
Player: Steve Captain
Army: Eldar Space Wolf Allies

HQ:
Eldrad Ulthran 210 Points
HQ:
Farseer 170 Points
Shuriken Pistol, Spirit Stones, Witchblade, Doom, Guide, Fortune, Mind War, Eldritch Storm, Runes of Witnessing

Elites:
Harlequin Troupe x9 250 Points
Harlequins Kiss, Holo Suit, Shuriken Pistol
Shadowseer x1
Hallucinogen Grenades, Veil Of Tears

Troops:
Dire Avengers (X5) 60Points
Troops:
Guardian Jetbike Squadron 66 Points
Troops:
Wraithguard (X10) 396 Points
Warlock, Conceal, Spirit Seer

Heavy Support: 147 Points
Dark Reapers
Exarch, Crack Shot, Tempest Launcher


Heavy Support: 147 Points
Dark Reapers
Exarch, Crack Shot, Tempest Launcher


HQ:
Rune Priest 125 Points
Jaws of the World Wolf

Elites:
Wolf Guard x3 w. combi-meltas 104 Points
Drop Pod 35 Points
Troops:
Grey Hunter Pack (X5) 75 Points
Flamer

Team: The Exiles
Player: Tom
Army: Space Wolves, Imperial Guard Allies

HQ:
Rune Priest (Psychic discipline to be confirmed) 120 Points Mastery Level 1, Terminator Armour
HQ:
Wolf Priest 125 Points
Runic Armour, Wolf Tail Talisman

Elites:
Lone Wolf 65 Points
Mark of the Wulfen, Terminator Armour, combiflamer
Elites:
Lone Wolf 85 points
Terminator Armour, storm shield, chainfist

Troops:
Grey Hunter Pack x10 210 Points
Mark of the Wulfen, Wolf Standard
Flamer, Plasma Gun,
Drop Pod

Troops:
Grey Hunter Pack x10 210 Points
Mark of the Wolfen, Wolf Standard
Flamer, Plasma Gun,
Drop Pod

Heavy Support:
Long Fang Pack x6 155 Points
4X Missile Launcher, 5X Frag & Krak Grenades, 5X Power armour

Fortification:
Aegis Defence Line 100 Points
Quad Gun

HQ:
Company Command Squad 87 Points
Flamer, Lascannon
Company Command
Boltgun, Laspistol, Power Weapon

Troops:
Infantry Platoon 212 Points
Platoon Command Squad
4X Flamer
Platoon Commander
Bolt Pistol, Power Weapon

Infantry Squad
Autocannon, Flamer
Sergeant, Laspistol, Power Weapon

Infantry Squad
Autocannon, Flamer
Sergeant, Laspistol, Power Weapon


Fast Attack:
Vendetta Gunship Squadron 280 Points
Vendetta,
2X Twinlinked Lascannons, Sponson Heavy Bolters
Vendetta,
2X Twinlinked Lascannons, Sponson Heavy Bolters

Heavy Support:
Hydra Flack Battery 85 Points
Heavy Flamer, Hunter Killer Missile




Team: The Exiles
Player: Simon
Army: Tyranids




HQ:
Hive Tyrant Biomancy 285 Points
Armoured Shell, Bonded Exoskeleton, Heavy Venom Cannon, Hive Commander, Lash Whip & Bonesword
Leech Essence, Old Advesary, Psychic Scream

Tyrant Guard Brood 60 Points
Tyrant Guard, Bonded Exoskeleton, Rending Claws

Hive Tyrant Biomancy 265 Points
Armoured Shell, Bonded Exoskeleton, Old Advesary
Paroxysm, The Horror, 2x 2 Twinlinked Devourers with
Brainleech Worms

Elites:
The Doom of Malan’tai Doom 130Points
Cataclysm, Claws &Teeth, Reinforced Chitin Myceptic Spore
Hardened Carapace, Lash Whip, Ripper Tentacles

Ymgarl Genestealer Brood 115 Points
Hardened Carapace, Rending Claws

Ymgarl Genestealer Brood 115 Points
Hardened Carapace, Rending Claws


Troops:
Termagaunt Brood (X18) 90 Points
Chitin, Claws & Teeth, Fleshborer


Troops:
Termagaunt Brood (X17) 85 Points
Chitin, Claws & Teeth, Fleshborer

Tervigon:
Adrenal Glands, Bonded Exoskeleton, Claws & Teeth 210 Points
Cluster Spines, Dominion, Onslaught, Toxin Sacs, Cataclyst

Tervigon:
Adrenal Glands, Bonded Exoskeleton, Claws & Teeth 210 Points
Cluster Spines, Dominion, Onslaught, Toxin Sacs, Cataclyst

Heavy Support:
Biovore Brood (X3) 135 Points
Claws & Teeth, Hardened Carapace, Spore Mine Launcher
Fortifications:
Aegis Defence Line 50 Points
Total 1750 points



Team: The Exiles
Player: Elliott
Army: Necrons

HQ:
Anrakyr The Traveller 405 Points
Tachyon Arrow, Warscythe
Catacomb Command Barge, Tesla Cannon

Royal Court
Cryptek, Staff of Light, Harbinger of Despair
Necron Lord, Resurrection Orb, Staff of Light



Elites:
Triach Stalker 150 Points
Heat Ray


Troops:
Necron Immortals (X10) 170 Points
Gauss Blaster, Pyrrhian Eternals
Troops:
Necron Warriors (X10) 130 Points
Gauss Flayer
Troops:
Necron Warriors (X13) 169 Points
Gauss Flayer
Troops:
Necron Warriors (X5) 65 Points
Gauss Flayer


Fast Attack:
Canoptek Scarabs x3 45 Points

Fast Attack:
X2 Canoptek Wraith, Whip Coils 90 Points


Heavy Support:
Doom Scythe 175 Points Death Ray, Twinlinked Tesla Destructor


Heavy Support:
Doom Scythe 175 Points
Death Ray, Twinlinked Tesla Destructor

Heavy Support:
Doomsday Ark 175 Points
Doomsday Cannon, 2X Gauss Flayer Array


Player: Jake (Captain)
Army: Dark Angels
Team: The Mournival

HQ:
Belial 190 points

Troops:
Deathwing Terminator Squad 250 points
4X Thunderhammer & Storm Shield, 1X Flamer
Troops:
Deathwing Terminator Squad 235 points
Plasma Cannon
Troops:
Deathwing Terminator Squad 235 points
Plasma Cannon
Troops:
Tactical Squad 170 points
+5 Marines, Plasma Gun, Plasma Cannon

Fast Attack:
DarkShroud 80 points

Fast Attack:
Ravenwing Attack Squadron 236 points
+3 Ravenwing Bikers, 2XMeltagun
Attack Bike with Multimelta
Fast Attack:
Ravenwing Black Knights 252 points
+3 Black Knights, 2X Ravenwing Grenade Launcher

Fortification:
Aegis Defence Line 100 points
Quad Gun


Team: The Mournival
Player: James
Army: Space Wolves

HQ:
Njal Stormcaller 245 points

HQ:
Rune Priest 150 points
Master of the Runes, Divination

Troops:
Grey Hunter Pack (X10) 210 points
2X Plasma Gun, Power Weapon, Drop Pod
Troops:
Grey Hunter Pack (X10) 210 points
2X Plasma Gun, Power Weapon, Drop Pod
Troops:
Grey Hunter Pack (X10) 220 points
2X Plasma Gun, Power Fist, Drop Pod
Troops:
Grey Hunter Pack (X10) 215 points
2X Meltagun, Powerfist, Drop Pod

Heavy Support:
Long Fang Pack (X6) 115 points
X5 Heavy Bolters
Heavy Support:
Long Fang Pack (X6) 140 points
X5 missile Launcher
Heavy Support:
Long Fang Pack (X6) 140 points
X5 Missile Launcher

Fortification:
Aegis Defence Line 100 points
Quad Gun



Team: The Mournival
Player: John
Army: Space Marines

HQ:
Captain Lysander 200 points

Troops:
Scout Squad 85 points
Missile Launcher
Troops:
Tactical Squad 180 points
+5 Marines, Missile Launcher, Plasma Gun
Troops:
Tactical Squad 175 points
+5 Marines, Missile Launcher, Meltagun
Razorback 40 points

Elites:
Assault Terminator Squad 200 points
X5 Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield

Fast Attack:
Caestus Assault Ram 275 points
Fast Attack:
Stormtalon 125 points
Skyhammer Missiles
Fast Attack: 125 points
Stormtalon
Skyhammer Missiles

Heavy Support:
Vindicator 115 points
Heavy Support:
Vindicator 115 points
Heavy Support:
Vindicator 115 points


Team: The Mournival
Player: Guy
Army: Grey Knights

HQ:
Grand Master 215 points
Falchions, Rad Grenades, 3X Servo Skulls

Troops:
Grey Knight Terminator Squad 225 points
Pyscannon
Troops:
Grey Knight Strike Squad 220 points
+5 Marines, 2X Psycannons
Troops:
Grey Knight Strike Squad 220 points
+5 Marines, 2X Psycannons


Heavy Support:
Dreadnought 140 points
2X Twinlinked Autocannon, Psybolt Ammo
Heavy Support:
Dreadnought 140 points
2X Twinlinked Autocannon, Psybolt Ammo

Fast Attack :
Grey Knight Interceptor Squad 180 points
X5 Falchions
Fast Attack :
Grey Knight Interceptor Squad 180 points
X5 Falchions
Dedicated Transport (Troops):
Razorback
Psybolt Ammo
Dedicated Transport (Troops):
Razorback
Lascannon, Twin Linked Plasma

Fortification:
Aegis Defence Line 100 points
Quad Gun

wow - big tournament! the number of ADLs is also scary!

a few thoughts...i like the first blood angels list. excluding sanguinary guard hes brought all the things that differentiate blood angels from marine - good show!

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Blood Angels Captain
Power Fist, Jump Pack 150 points

10 Man Assault Squad
2X Infernus Pistols 220 points
10 Man Assault Squad
2X Infernus Pistols 220 points
10 Man Tactical Squad
Meltagun, Lascannon 185 points

Sanguinary Priest x2
Jump Pack x2 150 points
5 Man Assault Terminator Squad
2X Twin Linked Lightning Claws
3X Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield 215 points

Furioso Dreadnought
Blood Talons 125 points
Baal Predator
Flamestorm Cannon, Heavy Bolter Sponsons 145 points

Stormraven Gunship, Hurricane Bolters 230 points

Aegis Defence Line
Quad Gun 100 points

your nid list is simply horrid!

the first ork list in you team (badrukk) looks like great fun, but i dont think it will survive past turn 3 in most games - theres a lot there but its so flimsy its scary - but it doesnt have the numbers or transports to counter it. he also has spare points for another skorcha missile or another boy . also, watch out for that trukk as its a ded transport for boyz so techncally belongs to them (may affect deployment). Lastly i have no idea how hes going to play mad dok - whos he going with? the burnas? thats not the most efficient unit for him to be with!!!!!!

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Mad Dok Grotsnik 160 points

Boyz x 17, shootas, 1 big shoota, Nob, power klaw, bosspole 149 points
Boyz x 17, shootas, 1 big shoota, Nob, big choppa, bosspole 129 points

Burna Boyz x 12, mek, kustom mega blasta 180 points
Trukk, stikk bomb chukka 40 points
Tank Bustaz x 6, 2 bomb squigs, nob, ‘eavy armour, boss pole 120 points

Storm Boyz x 11, Zagstrukk, 217 points
Deff Koptas x3, big shootas x3 105 points
Burna Bomber, scorcha missiles x2 145 points

Flash Gitz x 9, more dakkier, more shootier, cybork bodies, kaptin Badruk 495 points

The ork biker list is more interesting - although concentrated fire should see it fall in short order - the killa kans cant stand up to any anti tank at all, and the biker squads will fall to small arms fire fairly easily (though 4+ saves against all but heavy flamers and hive guard helps). i dont think its competetive either though

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Wazdakka Gutsmek 180 points
Big Mek
kustom force field. 85 points

3 Meganobz
Battlewagon: 2× big shoota; deff rolla. 240 points

10 Warbikers
Nob (power klaw; bosspole). 290 points
10 Warbikers
Nob (power klaw; bosspole). 290 points
8 Warbikers
Nob (power klaw; bosspole). 240 points
10 Gretchin
Runtherd 40 points

Fast Attack:
Dakkajet
Fighta Ace; 3x twin-linked supa shoota. 130 points

3 Killa Kans
2× big shoota; skorcha. 120 points
3 Killa Kans
3× grotzooka. 135 points

you are right - there are some real cheese lists out there! the space wolf one, whilst single minded, is totally exploiting all the points efficiency in the codex

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Njal Stormcaller 245 points
Rune Priest 150 points
Master of the Runes, Divination

Grey Hunter Pack (X10) 210 points
2X Plasma Gun, Power Weapon, Drop Pod
Grey Hunter Pack (X10) 210 points
2X Plasma Gun, Power Weapon, Drop Pod
Grey Hunter Pack (X10) 220 points
2X Plasma Gun, Power Fist, Drop Pod
Grey Hunter Pack (X10) 215 points
2X Meltagun, Powerfist, Drop Pod

Long Fang Pack (X6) 115 points
X5 Heavy Bolters
Long Fang Pack (X6) 140 points
X5 missile Launcher
Long Fang Pack (X6) 140 points
X5 Missile Launcher

Aegis Defence Line 100 points
Quad Gun

That's actually a pretty damn close match to the BA lists I've been running lately - just sub out the termies for sanguinary guard and that's pretty much it!

I think my nid list could probably be stronger if I used either gargoyles (but I don't like the flying bases) or possibly switched out the swarmloprd for some biovores and a second trygon. I've fallen in love with the swarmlord lately, even though I don't think he is the most efficient choice and ends us being missile bait, he gives out so any buffs to everyone around him he just makes me feel like I get to do more when it's my turn. Him dying makes me feel like I get to roll a lot less dice and I now miss him when he's not there!

Yeah that flash gitz list is going to get spanked up and down for 2 days solid. I won't play him with my tourney list, it's just not cricket. Mad Dok goes with the flashgitz, they sit mid table and play board control - problem of course being there are a lot of other armies that are just straight up better at mid table board control shooty lists - GK/crons (kinda surprised that combo isn't out there as its the one that has looked like a really awesome combo to e when I've tinkered with lists - unless I've overlooked it).

Didn't look at the Wolf lists but that one you've picked is an extreme example. That would e pretty close to an auto lose list for me. The new psy powers do dive me a chance to roll for warpspeed on my tervs to increase the initiative against jaws i think - need to check the working on jaws though to make sure it doesn't override it somehow though, that is currently my plan against it though (other than letting someone else play them that is!).

Just don't want to play the exiles team - 2 sets of space wolves 3rd guy is nids, only one I'd want to play is crons!

So many lists.... Mind exploding.....Can't wait until October....

Just a quick rundown of how I did on tourney day and what lists I faced etc...

First matchuo was against the Daemon list:

HQ;
Lord of Change 305 Points
Mastery Level 3, Full Divination
1 Lesser Gift, 2 Greater Gifts
HQ:
Herald of Khorne 130 Points
Locus: Fury, 1 Lesser Gift, Juggernaut
HQ:
Herald of Tzeentch 125 Points
Mastery level2, 1 Tzeentch, 1 Divination
Locus: Conjuration, Exalted Gift

Troops:
Demonettes (X20) 195 Points
Alluress, 1 Lesser Gift
Troops:
Demonettes (X20) 195 Points
Alluress, 1 Lesser Gift
Troops:
Horrors of Tzeentch (X20) 185 Points
Iridescent Horror

Fast Attack:
Flesh Hounds of Khorne (X15) 240 Points
Fast Attack:
Screamers of Tzeentch (X4) 100 Points
Fast Attack:
Screamers of Tzeentch (X4) 100 Points

Heavy Support:
Skull Cannon of Khorn 125 Points

Only list on that team I didn't want to face - any Chris thinks there were some shenanigans as he picked me to face chaos space marine. Played this guy in doubles tourney when he was rocking screamer spam. There are always some vital dice rolls he makes behind pieces of terrain where I can't see the dice - which bugs me a bit, especially as I saw one during the course of this game and it was a fail even though he called it a pass, but if he desperately wants to cheat to win at toy soldiers that's his problem I don't care enough to start a fight about it. I really didn't know what to expect with daemons and it was a fairly even game - it looked like we were going to swap board sides at one point until he rolled 11 on the warp storm table and removed the doom from the table. The Lord of Change was a bitch lots of AP2 fleshbane attacks re-rolling his armoursave - horrid!! - I ended up losing this one 17-3. He won every single one of his 5 games in the end and although he's a bit dubious at times it was a good game.

We were in bottom place after the very first game after only 1 of our tea pulled out a win. Next game I got Crons!

HQ 1 - Necron Overlord, Warscythe, Resurrection Orb, Sempiternal Weave, Tesseract Labyrinth: 165 pts

Royal Court 1 - Cryptek ,Harbinger of Despair, Veil of Darkness 60 pts

Necron Lord, Resurrection Orb, Tesseract Labyrinth: 85 pts

Elites 1 - 5xLychguards, Hyperphase Swords and Phase Shields 225 pts

Elites 2 - 5xDeathmarks: 95 pts

Troops 1 - 10xNecron Immortals: 170 pts

Troops 2 - 10xNecron Warriors: 130 pts

Troops 3 - 10xNecron Warriors: 130 pts

Fast Attack 1 - 3xCanopek Wraiths, whipcoils 135 pts

Heavy Support 1 - Doom Scythe: 175pts

Heavy Support 2 - Doom Scythe: 175pts

Transport 1 - (troops 1), Night Scythe: 100 pts

Transport 2 - (elites 1), Night Scythe: 100 pts
Total 1745 points

This list looked very much like "how many fliers can I afford before the tourney". Strangely he deployed all his warriors on the table which I wasn't expecting - and was a massive boo boo on his part as it just gave me something to kill. Necron fliers aren't a problem for nids, none of them can do us enough damage and the warriors spent a lot of the time not being able to hurt anything - due to some clinch iron arm rolls. the deatharks did a bit of a number of the swarmlord when they came down due to wounding on 2's but he was the only casualty of the fight as I virtually tabled the crons winning 17-3. No-one else on my team won a game so we stayed bottom (this is continuous through the rest of the tourney btw!)

Game 3 was against chaos space marine

HQ:
Sorceror
Mark of Slaanesh, Level2 Mastery 1from Slaanesh
1 from Telekinesis
Veteran of the Long War 105 points


Troops:
Chaos Marine Squad (X10)
Combat Weapons, Melta Gun, Plasma Gun, Power Axe
Plasma Pistol,
Mark Of Slaanesh, Icon of Excess 255 points
Troops:
Chaos Marine Squad (X10)
Combat Weapons, Melta Gun, Plasma Gun, Power Axe
Plasma Pistol, Melta Bomb
Mark Of Slaanesh, Icon of Excess

Troops:
Noise Marine Squad (X10)
2X Blast Masters, 7X Sonic Blasters, Doom Siren
Power Sword, Icon Of Excess,
VeteranS of the Long War

Troops:
Chaos Cultists (X20)
2 Heavy Stubbers, X17 Autoguns

Troops
Chaos Cultists (X10)
1 Flamer

Troops
Chaos Cultists (X10)
1 Flamer

Fast Attack:
Helldrake
Baleflamer

Heavy Support:
Forgefiend

Heavy Support:
Maulerfiend

Fortification
Aegis Defence Line Quad Gun

List was slightly different on the day as the sorcerer was some champion or the other.

This was a very clean cut game. With 0 strength 8 guns I literally just walked across the table and just punched him in the face - only the helldrake survived and i won 18-2. Guy was very proper about the rules and turn sequence and all that, to his ow disadvatage at times as he wouldn't roll his will not dies if the turn had moved o even though I said it was fine. But again a really nice guy and we had a giggle throughout - less of a giggle when i almost smashed his helldrake by knocking it off the table! whoops!!

Game 4 was against the team with the naaaaasty space wolf list - which I begged chris to keep me away from - Sam ended up playing them and apparently the guy didn't even use vaseline when he ass raped him ;-) I got GK:

HQ:
Grand Master 215 points
Falchions, Rad Grenades, 3X Servo Skulls

Troops:
Grey Knight Terminator Squad 225 points
Pyscannon
Troops:
Grey Knight Strike Squad 220 points
+5 Marines, 2X Psycannons
Troops:
Grey Knight Strike Squad 220 points
+5 Marines, 2X Psycannons


Heavy Support:
Dreadnought 140 points
2X Twinlinked Autocannon, Psybolt Ammo
Heavy Support:
Dreadnought 140 points
2X Twinlinked Autocannon, Psybolt Ammo

Fast Attack :
Grey Knight Interceptor Squad 180 points
X5 Falchions
Fast Attack :
Grey Knight Interceptor Squad 180 points
X5 Falchions
Dedicated Transport (Troops):
Razorback
Psybolt Ammo
Dedicated Transport (Troops):
Razorback
Lascannon, Twin Linked Plasma

Fortification:
Aegis Defence Line 100 points
Quad Gun

othing special about this list - fairly standard as GK go, no suprises. This one was a close game - he warp quaked my doom into mishapping and then having to run across the table, and in the end it came down to whether my swarmlord would make it to his objective as he did everything he could to slow me down by throwing razorbacks in my way and trying to shot hi up first - he made it, kicked ass and I managed a 17-3 win.

Last match was brutal... I got:

HQ: Inquiaitor Coteaz 200 points


HQ: Inquisitor
Pysker, Power Armour, Force sword, Combi Flamer
Pysbolt Ammo
Psychic communion 78 points

Elites: Tech Marine
Storm Bolter, Blind Grenades, Rad Grenades,
Psybolt Ammo 113 points

Elites: Vindicar Assassin 145 points

Troops: Acolytes (X8)
Stormbolters
X3 Servitors, Heavy Bolters
Jokero 121 points
Troops: Acolytes (X8)
Stormbolters
X3 Servitors, Heavy Bolters
Jokero 121 points

Troops: Acolytes (X11)
Stormbolters
Jokero 112 points

Troops: Acolytes (X11)
Stormbolters
Jokero 112 points

Troops: Acolytes (X4)
1X Mystic 112 points

Fast Attack: Stormraven
Heavy Bolters, Pysbolt Ammo 26 points

Heavy Support: Dreadnought
2x Twinlinked Autocannons, Pys Ammo, searchlight, smoke launchers 136 points

Heavy Support: Dreadnought
2x Twinlinked Autocannons, Pys Ammo, searchlight, smoke launchers 136 points

Heavy Support: Dread Knight
Gatling Psilencer, Great Sword, Personal Telepath, Heavy incinerator 295 points
Total 1750 points

This list is sick as although they are all storbolters they get re-rolls to hit increased range by 12", ignores cover, and rending from jokearos/ psychic powers. to top if off i didn't get any of the psychic powers i was after (what are the odds....) and the table had 0 line of sight blocking terrain - brutal is an understatement. Oh an to top it all off i had no idea about the special rule coteaz has about shooting at anyone who deepstrikes within 12" of him - that was messy.... But I've learned now I guess! I was tabled and lost 20-0!!!

So I went 3-2 and the team finished firmly in last place. The Red Dragon team won the whole thing with the helldrake list doing the est getting a total of 98/100 over the 5 games. Apparently they are an actual welsh tournament tea and had just got back fro playing in Poland and play all over the world, in a way wish I'd had a chance to play them but in another way kindof glad I didn't!!

I would add that im happy with how it went. I beat the lists I thought I would and lost to the ones I thought I would. Im going to shelve my nids for a little while and roll out the necrons for a bit as I still haven't played with them yet and if I dont soon then the nids will have a new codex and I will never use them!!!

sounds like a lot of fun - a lot of games for sure. seemed like one way or another they were all one sided though - the games were won on the army lists?

some hardcore playerss there - you did well to get the wins!

Other than not having to paint gaunts for a while - and what a bonus that must be! What do you reckon thenecrons will bring that ill change your game style and reinvigorate yoyu in the hobby?

The biggest thing I learnt in this tourney is that I really dont care about winning. Some of the people there got really upset when they lost(proper mood faces and sulky) doesnt phase me though... the tourney made 40k all serious as the team captain is one of the above, and it took some of the fun out of it for me. My nid lists are also pretty stagnant I've played every unit in the book multiple times and there are any suprises. With crons its all new, ill add to them as I build and paint them and use different allies to fill points to keep the playing interesting. Sam is gonna sit down with me and help my painting so its very much like im starting completely from fresh. Im not gonna go ultra competitive with it as the theme I have limits my army choice so hopefully this will mark a fresh fun restart to 40k for a while!

Going back to Hobo and the games won on the army lists question (was't ignorig it just gonna write a longer answer :-) ):

The set-up of this tourney did lead to that and I moaned about it more than once - the captains took turns picking matchups so it did lead to people semi-tailoring a style of list rather than complete allcomers lists banking on their captain picking a favorable match-up that then leads to each match being pretty one sided affairs, it's a format I'm not so keen on as it's inevitable each match is going to be pretty one sided.

that said all wargames do come down (to varying extents) to list v list. I'm convinced there are match ups i can't lose - specifically nids v vanilla space marines and matchups I can't win nids v that space wolf list. Sure it's a dice game and there is an element of tactics but all things being equal they end one sided tableings.

No doubt you'll have heard me moan before about jaws of the world wolf. It's just very specific in what it can kill, and anything that removes something from play is (in my opinion) lazy rule writing, as there is nothing an opponent can do to try and mitigate it - yeah but I'm T9, eternal warrior with a 2++ and 7 wounds - on well your 500 295 point guy fell i a hole tough tittys! I'm not singleing wolves out that's just an example - a lot of armies have rules that like which make aspects of other armies redundant and pointless. Unfortunately while those sorts of things exist the games of 40k will stay heavily list v list rather than general v general. I do think there are things you can do to try and mitigate these aspects but there are some things out there that are just so stupidly one sided it ruins the game.

It happened in my game against the crons actually - first turn all my mc's got T9 so nothing he had could hurt me - iron arm is random and the changes to rending help against it but I think it's still valid.

This is not to say that I don't think there is any element of skill or tactics but I think that is better measured as a gulf between the payers. If both players are level then it's lists - it takes a superior general to win with an inferior list - if that makes sense....

It makes perfect sense. It has been the biggest moaning about 40k for as long asd I can remember - codex creep and therefore balance. I think that they are doomed as they simly have too many armies but, that said, they do seem to be follwoing through on every army updated in 6th! It has been a heavy (and likely expensive) few months.

I for one really fancy painting a ri[p tide up. But I don't dare buy one as, if the recent releases are anything to by, I will need all the money I can for Eldar and maybe even vanilla marines!

when do you expect things to come out? whats next?